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2022/06/09 00:30:13
tdietz20

Kohler M16 won't run after attempting to replace ignition switch

I've got an old Taylor Dunn cart with a Kohler M16 in it that I just had to replace the ignition switch and not sure about the wiring.

The old ignition switch didn't have anything labeled, but the battery and starter wire are easy enough to identify, but the other two I'm a bit confused on. One of them turns the gauges on when switched to ON, so I assumed that was the ignition wire. The last wire I assume was the ground wire. The new switch does not have a ground terminal so I ground it on the metal frame below the dash where the switch is mounted.

I tried starting without that last wire attached and it wouldn't start, though there was spark, and I know there was fuel (new) in the carb bowl, and I tried with and without the air filter, the oil was flushed and filled with new oil, and the spark plug was fine before I took the wiring apart. Some starter fluid gets it to jump but not stay running as if it wasn't getting fuel, so that points to the carb though it was working earlier, I cleaned up the old carb, still no start, bought a brand new replacement carb, still no start.
The whole thing was running before I tried to replace the failing ignition switch. Could this be an ignition problem even though I still seem to have a spark and starting fluid makes it catch momentarily before the starting fluid is gone? Could a faulty ground be a problem or would it not even spark if that were the case?

Any troubleshooting tips would be welcome.
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SRTsFZ6
Don't know much about your electrical but if you have a fuel pump, I'd suspect that first.
 
A failed pump won't pump fuel to your carb.  Loosening the float bowl and cranking over, fuel should come out of the bowl. I suspect yours will be dry. 
 
If you have an extra, small say lawn mower fuel tank, you can plumb that direct to the carb, use gravity and see if the engine starts...
2022/06/09 07:29:43
tdietz20
Unfortunately the fuel line doesn't appear to be the problem.  I added a bit of gas to the bowl before reinstalling the carb, and when it wouldn't start loosened the bolt to check if there was still gas in it and there was.  I let it empty and tried to start a few more times and found the pump had put more fuel in the bowl.    

It was the same with the very old (but clean) carb and the brand new carb.      
I agree it seems like a fuel or a carburetor problem but it's on there tight and clean.     

If there was some sort of engine kill wiring issue it wouldn't be sparking at all right?   The starting fluid makes it jump long enough for the starting fluid to dry up.    
2022/06/09 15:00:52
SRTsFZ6
You can eliminate all kill switches/devices form the engine by un-plugging them from the ignition coil.
It's usually a thin black wire.   All you'd have is the spark plug wire going to the plug..
 
I don't think mentioned but installing a new plug wouldn't hurt..   Verify you have spark, then go from there...
2022/06/09 16:05:20
tdietz20
Thanks, I'll try that,  Not sure if there are any kill wires on it but I'll get a chance to look at it later today.  Also put in a new plug though it seemed to be working before I messed with the switch.    But if there was some sort of kill signal going to it wouldn't that prevent spark in the first place such that even starter fluid doesn't work?  Or would a potential kill signal only trigger once the engine actually got running?
2022/06/09 16:24:37

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