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Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2

I just replaced a blown governor on my 20 HP twin B&S engine and now I am in the process to adjust it and I am not quite sure how to understand the manual. My throttle is twofold. The first 80% of it is throttle and the last 20% of it pulls the choke. The manual says to turn the control swivel CCW to full throttle as far as it will go (see attached picture). Now does that mean the throttle portion ONLY ignoring the 20% of movement that is allocated to engage the choke or do I pull as far as it will go and that would include the portion pertaining to the choke????
 

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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/16 20:14:14 (permalink)
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    What I am reading is that it's asking you to rotate the "Governor Control Swivel", not the throttle. Rotating it fully CCW is the position it would be in at wide open throttle.
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/17 07:26:54 (permalink)
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    Loosen the bolt/nut for the governor arm.
     
    Hold the throttle (on the carb) to wide open throttle.  A third hand may help with that.
     
    Now, the swivel that goes thru the block.  Turn it in the same direction (till it stops) 
    it would as the arm would normally push it.
     
    Lock down the bolt nut..
     
    If you do it opposite *turning the shaft incorrect, all linkages won't move.
     
    Look at the 28 minute mark on this video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn3eanGxSEA 
     
     
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/17 07:39:09 (permalink)
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    Does the link to the actual choke have like an "elongated loop"
    on one end and a short zig zag on the other (that would attach to the choke itself)?
     
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/17 10:22:38 (permalink)
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    Does the link to the actual choke have like an "elongated loop"
    on one end and a short zig zag on the other (that would attach to the choke itself)?
     
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    Yes, it does. The loopy end attaches to the choke and the zig zaggy end attaches to the link that is connected to the control swivel
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/17 11:52:04 (permalink)
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    Ok, the short ziggy zag part attaches to the carb choke plate (atop the carb)
     
    That elongated part does NOT "attach" solidly to anything.
    The elongated part SLIPS into the main bracket.  Then part of the 
    main linkage has a tab that PUSHES on the elongated part of the linkage.
     
    Any excess play (when activating the choke), the choke closes fully, the elongated 
    part slips thru the bracket. 
     
    As it might be hard to comprehend, attach the zig zag to the top of the choke plate.
    You should see a slot in which the elongated part will fit into.  BTW, that elongated part
    expands slightly, in that slot.   So that piece of linkage moves very, very little.. 
     
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/17 12:11:53 (permalink)
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    Thanks Scott. I will double check the choke linkage according to your previous post and get back shortly. Btw, the video was very good and explains it all very well. Remember, some time ago I asked if my engine (406777-0442-B1) had compression release and everybody said Yes. This time when I replaced the blown governor gear (thank God, no internal damage was done) I looked at the cam shaft and what do you know??. It is a straight cam shaft, NO compression release. How about that? And all the parts manuals say that it is. Go figure. And I know it is from the factory. I am the only one that ever opened this engine.
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/17 15:09:16 (permalink)
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    Hummm, interesting. 
     
    It's possible they made a change in models and yours "fell" into the group as Briggs ran out /changed parts..
     
     
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/17 16:02:20 (permalink)
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    • Ok Scott. I was wrong. The wire link that goes to the choke does NOT have a loop. It has zig zags on both ends like Z. I have no problems understanding the adjustments between the governor shaft and lever. The confusion arises from the manual which indicates that the control swivel at WOT is also as far as it will go, which is incorrect. The throttle lever at the dashboard, when moved from idle to WOT, will stop at a notch or indent where it should be when mower is in operation. If you go beyond that notch you activate the choke for the purpose of starting the engine and that is all that position should be used for. Having said that let's go to pic #1. Choke lever (red star) and wire link. Pic #2 swivel plate in idle position (star pointing at 9 o'clock). Pic #3 control swivel at 80% of travel at WOT (arrow on swivel plate is at 7 o'clock). Pic #4 again control swivel at 80% at WOT at operating RPMs. Look at arrow on choke lever. Choke lever is connected to the swivel plate and is nearly horizontal - no choke. Last picture, control swivel at 100% travel, beyond WOT with choke pulled. Control swivel at 6 o'clock and choke lever at 10 o'clock. All of these adjustments look right on.
    • I did some more testing came to the conclusion that it probably does not matter if the control swivel plate is pushed as far as it will go or only 80% of it, because the only connection it has to the governor lever is by its springs and I did not notice any movement of the springs at all between 80% or 100% rotation. What do you think?
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/18 08:15:20 (permalink)
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    So a single throttle cable, no separate second cable for the choke, correct?
     
    So with that said, (and I think you also mean), the throttle pulled back is idle.
    Pushed forward increases the speed, eventually to approx 3,600 RPMs (WOT).
     
    Pushing forward beyond that activates the choke (and WOT remains), correct?
     
    Now on the speed control lever (that you push from the riding position), you may feel 
    a click or slight indentation.  IF there, that's the operating, WOT notch
    (so you don't go past and run the machine on choke).
     
    My 18 HP Briggs single (Zero turn), throttle lever has the same actuation,
    but all my linkages at the engine is different from yours.
     
    Of course you can adjust the cable at the engine.  
    I'd push the throttle forward, to full choke-loosen and then set the cable adjustment
    to get full choke.  Lock down the cable.  There's some give and take there, you just want to make sure your getting the full range of the throttle(and full choke).  
     
     
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/18 08:20:31 (permalink)
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    If not a pushing throttle, substitute pull ^^^.
     
    Re reading your first post, adjust that cable ALL the way into full choke.
    So the final adjustment, fully pushing the throttle gets you full choke, pulling back some,
     no choke, now at wide open throttle.  Pull back further gets you idle..
     
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/18 18:43:43 (permalink)
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    So a single throttle cable, no separate second cable for the choke, correct? - YES
    Pushing forward beyond that activates the choke (and WOT remains), correct? - YES
    I think I may have overcomplicated this by getting stuck on the one line in the manual that claims that WOT and as far as it will go are the same, which they are not. Nothing in that assembly has been changed. The only thing I need to time is the relationship between the governor shaft and the lever and I did this the way the manual says, the control swivel plate is rotated as far as it will go which includes the portion of travel pertaining to the choke. Like I said, I don't think it makes a difference, so tomorrow I will start it up and see what happens
     
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/19 07:12:41 (permalink)
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    When the choke is activated, the throttle IS at wide open. 
     
    So when you pull back off choke slowly, the engine goes to wide open throttle.
     
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/19 09:09:02 (permalink)
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    Yes on both, Scott and when you look at it that way the manual is correct in its own confusing way. When the control swivel is as far as it will go the carburetor is still at WOT however with the choke engaged and that was the part that I questioned. Should the choke be included or not. I conclude: it doesn't matter, follow the manual, fire her up and see what happens. Great conversation! - Thanks y'all!
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/19 09:54:58 (permalink)
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    Post back how it goes..
     
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/28 09:27:39 (permalink)
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    After a week and a half of freezing temps now we have nice weather again and for the last 3 days I am struggling to get my engine to run right. I started the engine and it ran fine but way too fast in idle  (2300-2800) even though the throttle control cable on the dash is all the way down in slow. I noticed that the throttle shaft is about 2 mm away from the throttle idle set screw and that is because the big governor spring is putting a light tension on the governor arm. I went ahead and made a slight adjustment to let up on the spring tension by bending the tang and now the idle speed is good. I proceeded to do the dynamic governor checking by using a tachometer and the RPM is between 1500-1600 idling and the throttle shaft is resting against the idle set screw. Then I went ahead and checked the WOT no load RPM which was between 3600-3700 rpm, which I understand is also good. So far so good, but NOT. When I move the throttle on the dash rather fast to WOT from idle the engine wants to die. It acts like I pulled the choke. Then I go quickly back to idle and the engine recovers and idles just fine. Now if I accelerate slowly, the engine will increase RPMs until it reaches WOT and runs great. The same scenarios happens if I engage the blades. But now when I put the mower in drive and start mowing the engine dies. So I went ahead and disconnected the wire link from the governor arm to the throttle shaft on the carburetor and ran the engine without the governor (in low RPMs) and everything works just fine when I manipulate the throttle manually. It responds quickly and runs good at all speeds like it's supposed to, so I know the problem is not with the carb and intakes. Now with the throttle link back installed I tried the same, manipulate the throttle manually overriding the input from the governor, same thing. Engine runs crappy and then dies. No matter if I push the throttle open or close it, the carburetor ignores it and stutters and dies. Does that make sense? And the governor shaft and arm are adjusted correctly according to my manual and conventional procedure and the 2 springs are in good order (not stretched or bent etc.)
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/28 18:21:23 (permalink)
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    False alarm. Disregard my previous long post. I figured out what my problem is or was besides being careless and stupid. The problems described in my previous post had nothing to do with the governor. I must admit having that much luck stumbling on something is usually not in my cards. The problem was in the carburetor after all. I am surprised that the engine ran at all or as well as it did. This morning I noticed a little thing the size of a pepper corn pushed over to the side on my work bench that looked like a jet. And I said to myself, well that is strange, where does that come from. And then it dawned on me, while replacing the governor gear I also dropped the fuel bowl on the carburetor to replace that little O ring on the inside, which will allow fuel to leak into the crankcase if defective. And sure enough while doing that and unnoticed by me one of the 2 main jets fell out. They are only held in place by their own little O rings and if that O ring loses its grip - main jet gone. Murphy usually is not that kind to me and who knows how long it would have taken me to figure out that it was the carburetor after all had i not stumbled on that little tiny main jet hanging out on my bench. By the end of the day I had that engine humming like the day it was first sold. Idle 1700 and WOT no load 3600, oh happy day!
    Thanks y'all for your help. Job well done and finished
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/02/28 18:30:07 (permalink)
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    Re: Governor Adjustment for 20 HP B&S V2 2025/03/01 06:32:11 (permalink)
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    Yep, it was sounding like two different issues on that long post.
     
    Glad you found em and all is working well!!!
     
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