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Two Briggs engines same displacement, physical size, different HP.

I have the following two Briggs engines.
1) Model 445877
and
2) Model 407777
 
Both have the exact same displacement.
However 1) is listed as 24HP, while 2) is listed as 20HP.
 
Is it only a carburetor efficiency difference or is there severely different changes such as cylinder head shape difference which gives (1) 4 more hp ?
 
What i want to see is if I cannot make changes to get the 20HP (2)  to 24HP, so I can use it in the same riding mower as they are otherwise basically identical.
 
 
 
 
 

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    Re: Two Briggs engines same displacement, physical size, different HP. 2025/05/18 07:22:45 (permalink)
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    Here's each engine:
     
    #1   https://www.jackssmallengines.com/jacks-parts-lookup/manufacturer/briggs-stratton/briggs-stratton-engine/400000-699999-series/445800-to-445899/445877-0760-e1
     
     
     
    #2:
    https://www.jackssmallengines.com/jacks-parts-lookup/manufacturer/briggs-stratton/briggs-stratton-engine/400000-699999-series/407700-to-407799/407777-0128-e1 
     
    Look up both engines and check for different part #'s.
    I'd suspect probably a different carb as most everything is the same.
     
    I really don't think you'd have a problem just running the smaller HP engine as is,
    but do your research.  
     
     
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    Re: Two Briggs engines same displacement, physical size, different HP. 2025/05/18 07:37:45 (permalink)
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    That 4hp makes huge difference on a zero turn. These 24HP Briggs engines are rather soft, and tend to bend valves.
    It used to be marketed as a 27HP until there was some class action suit, and it is is now marketed as a 24HP, so there are serious ethical issues with this particular engine to boot.
    At the time when mine bent valves, I replaced it with a 20HP Kohler as there were no 24HP version available at the time.
    The Kohler is the better engine by far, way more rugged and reliable,  but the 4HP less is noticeable.
     
    I want to replace the 24HP Briggs on another Swisher zero-turn, which bent valves the exact same way, with the 20HP Briggs but want to see if I cannot at least get close to 24HP as described in my original post. The 24HP Kohler costs north of $1500, so that is not an option at the moment, so I am stuck with Briggs.

    I am starting to wonder if the 24HP Briggs is not really a 20HP pushed past it's limits, therefore bending valves. They were dishonest marketing it as a 27HP, so why would they be honest about it being a true 24HP either, especially regarding strength of materials.

    Why Briggs issued such unreliable engines I dont know, probably an attempt to outpace the competition at the cost of reliability,  but they are horribly soft engines not worth the money.
     
    I will look through what you sent thanks.
     
     
    post edited by retnev - 2025/05/18 07:46:25
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    Re: Two Briggs engines same displacement, physical size, different HP. 2025/05/18 13:57:03 (permalink)
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    I own a Toro (2005) Zero turn with an 18 HP Briggs (42").  I got it for free 
    as the engine was locked up.
     
    It did drop the exhaust seat and then destroyed the exhaust valve as it (valve) didn't close fully
    (known to happen when over heated). 
    I replaced the head and piston with new, runs like a top (5 years ago).
     
    With that said, when I bought the head (brand new, ScamAzon),
    it came with 3 different inside diameter head gaskets (IE different bore sizes)
     
    I looked at (for S & G's) a new Toro with the single cylinder Briggs.
    That same updated machine (still 42") now has a 15 HP Briggs on it.  3 HP less than 
    my current one.  
     
    I don't care for Kohlers and definitly prefer Briggs, but that's just my experience..
     
     

     

     
     
     
     
     
     
    post edited by SRTsFZ6 - 2025/05/18 14:02:10

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    Re: Two Briggs engines same displacement, physical size, different HP. 2025/05/19 13:44:49 (permalink)
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    The broken rod.... , thats just a moden OHV Briggs. Nothing like the older engines for reliability.
    I have several Briggs and Kohler of the same/similar HP. Kohlers never gave me any problems, except for trivial things like fuel solenoid valves etc (after standing for a while). The problem is  with the deposits left by the 10% ethanol in the fuel, which gunks up your carb  if it stands for more than 2 months.
     
    By my experience owning both of the OHV Briggs and Kohlers, the Kohlers are rugged and reliable for this type of small engine. In the 18HP up, I wont buy any Briggs period. It breaks or bends rods even at light use. One bent a valve while I was just riding across the lawn with the mower deck disengaged 1 minute after startup.
    The old cast iron block Briggs are gold though. Irreplaceable.
    Anyway, that was not what my question was about, so I leave it there.
     
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    Re: Two Briggs engines same displacement, physical size, different HP. 2025/05/20 07:58:53 (permalink)
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    We're you able to find any differences in the 2 Briggs you have, using the links above?
     
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    Re: Two Briggs engines same displacement, physical size, different HP. 2025/05/20 10:18:32 (permalink)
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    Its going to take a bit of time to figure that one out, but I am busy with it.
    More importantly I need to check if these two engines are in fact exactly the same and the 24hp version is just a souped up version which will be more prone to breakdown as a result. If that is the case then I will leave the 20HP just as it is as it will be reliable. But if the 20HP is again a souped up version of an 18hp e.g. then it will really become unreliable at 24HP (understood that such a conversion wont be possible to boot)
     
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    Re: Two Briggs engines same displacement, physical size, different HP. 2025/05/20 12:37:22 (permalink)
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    Hope it works out for ya, plz post back how it goes...
     
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