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Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
Just got this Craftsman mower for free. Nothing is free..... Engine: Model 331877, Type 1371 B1, Code 100405ZD Started right up after I cleaned the totally fouled plug. Burns oil blue smoke. Has 60 psi compression. But runs pretty well. Just wanted to get a second opinion that there's no way this is a valve seal oil leak. The cylinder looks great except for that stain (see photo) where I think some dirty oil sat for a couple years. It's a horizontal cylinder so that is where any fluid would pool. The stain feels as smooth as the rest of the cylinder. Spark plug and intake valve all oil crusted. (see photo). Would an intake valve have this much crusted on on the top side of the valve if it was an oil leak through the rings? I don't see oil leaking down the valve stem. Also it blows a lot out of the dip stick hole. Exhaust valve stem is flat black and dry. (That photo won't load) Ok, it's obviously bad rings, but I'm still open to somebody else saying Duh! If I replace the rings, do I need to clean up that stain even if you can't feel it there? Thanks :)
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/05/15 18:35:51
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You do have an oil seal on only the intake valve.. With the valve in the head, just off the seat, is there any back and forth play? If so, (probably not), that would help with oil getting past the seal and burning oil. You could do a "Leak down test" to ascertain the health of the engine however I think you correct with the diag of worn piston rings. After cleaning the head, flip it over, spark plug installed and fill with say seafoam-Let it sit. If the valves are leaking the fluid will pass the valve(s) and into the runners. Re the staining. As long as you don't have any scrapes (usually vertical), I would just hone the cylinder before the new new rings are installed. I have a similar engine from 2005 (18HP Briggs) which needed a head and piston (dropped a valve) A new head, honed block and new piston/rings, runs like a top (no damage to the block). Honed and new piston installed:
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/05/15 20:41:55
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/05/16 13:32:08
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Got the engine all apart. Can you tell me where the little pin in the photo goes that fell out when I turned it upside down? And there's a lot of cross hatching still. Do I need to hone anyway? And how do I tell that the rings are actually bad? I don't know what I'm looking for. I have photos, but nothings loading right now. thanks
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/05/16 13:39:23
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Are you referring to the two solid pins, showing in the top of my block? Their just alignment pins. Re honing, yes, I would give it a light hone for the new rings to seat. As for ring wear, put both the compression rings in the cylinder (about 1" down from the top) and measure the end gap... From another thread: Service doesn't have minimum end gap but .010" should be a target as .030" is the maximum allowed. .
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/05/16 13:42:57
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It's not an alignment pin, it is smaller and was loose. I didn't see it when I flipped it to drain the last oil. What stone number do you use for that level of honing?
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/05/16 14:01:58
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This is the hone I have and used (for literally decades). For 2" bores to 7" bores. There is no "grade" of the stone listed. You may be able to borrow one from your local auto parts store... https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/shc-94633/overview Can you open a free acct at Post image: https://postimages.org/login Upload your pic, then copy and paste the link for FORUMS. A pic of your "pin" may help find where it goes... That and some more detail, how the engine was positioned when this pin came out. Admin may take a couple of days to allow it to post (for new folks). .
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/05/16 16:31:57
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I'll give that a try if the photos continue to not upload. The main body of the engine was how it would sit on the mower, with the bottom cover off. It's about 1/2" long and maybe 3/16" diameter.
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/06/01 07:15:21
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/06/01 17:50:00
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I got the parts yesterday. I'm hoping to do the work tomorrow.
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/06/10 15:49:21
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UPS lost the cutting fluid I ordered for honing the cylinder. I finally got started today. Honing went really quick, in like 25s it was crosshatched. It brought out some wear marks I couldn't see before. Took half the day to clean off the gaskets and clean the engine block etc. So what do you use to clean carbon off the valves? Other than that it should go back together tomorrow.
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/06/10 16:49:24
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With the valves removed, gasoline and or a round wire brush in a drill motor will remove carbon real quick. Brake cleaner/carb cleaner will work as well. Once done and the head assembled, flip it upside down (spark plug installed) and fill with say Seafoam. If the valves are leaking (over night), you'll see the Seafoam go past the valve seats and come out the ports... If so, some valve seating compound, along with the tool will help seal those up fully... . .
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/06/10 17:33:22
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Won't the wire brush damage the valve mating surface? What about the combustion chamber, can the valve seat handle the wire brush?
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/06/11 07:33:22
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Just go nice and easy and with a cleaner(gas, brake cleaner, etc), won't hurt anything. I'm talking a 1/4" shaft brush, used on a hand drill motor-NOT a super heavy duty brush on a large grinder. Works fine on the head, piston, etc. A piston top & block pic(18 HP Briggs) cleaned after 15 years of service. Damage is from a dropped valve that destroyed the head and piston (piston & head WAS replaced due to valve parts impacts).
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/06/11 08:54:48
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Another delay. The valve seal I got in the gasket package just falls into place. No resistance. Now I'll have to order another seal and wait :(.
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/06/18 10:15:04
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Hey, I'm getting mixed answers for how to orient the piston rings. These are inside beveled rings. Both look identical. Right now I'm seeing videos that say bevel goes up on the first ring and down on the second ring. The guys I bought them from say both go up. First they said both go down.  Can you tell me what the real truth is? Also angles between gaps, seems like there's more than one opinion on that. thanks
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/06/18 13:57:54
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There should have been directions included with the rings. In any event, look at approx the 15 minute mark below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VnNDUOsxEM The rings (both upper compression rings staggered about 180 (the end gap), from each other, to help with sealing. You DON'T want them in-line as compression will now blow straight past them. Same for the oil rings. As there's 3, I set mine so the end gaps are about opposite each other BUT above / away from where the oil level would be once assembled.. A Briggs shop manual specific for your engine would give you what the factory recommends.. (I work on most every engine make/model, etc, so having a shop manual for all is not practical....) .
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/06/18 14:16:47
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There were cryptic directions with the rings. Not very clear. And after getting two answers from them I don't know what to trust.
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings?
2025/06/18 14:57:30
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Also, I had watched the video you referenced yesterday and the rings don't have bevels in that one so I'm still unclear how to orient the bevels. thanks
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