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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/05/26 20:03:26
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Well Tested it again on the front cylinder with plug tester with clear plastic window to see spark and this time it was darker in the garage and can see a glow in the test. So I guess there is a spark. If the spark is strong enough I don't know if that can matter. Might be something else. Maybe I would have to have a compression checker to check cylinder. I have a guy that looked at it to maybe buy it and he has a compression checker. He didn't see the plug tester glow but just sent him a picture of it so he know there seems to be a spark. Maybe a valve stuck or something. Looks more then I want to get into so I guess I will just sell it to someone that knows how to fix stuff like this.
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/05/27 10:41:27
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Just a note about those line neon spark testers. THey can give a positive indication. Here what member of a forum I manage said. I just worked on a friend's Kawasaki twin. It was running on right cylinder only. Left cylinder had spark with tester inline to the installed plug. Put in new plug. Nothing changed.Even shocked me when applying plastic coated alligator clip for balance test. Grounding tester directly produced spark. But when I used clip to ground the uninstalled plug there was no spark across plug gap. Same thing on right side showed spark. I didn't have my compression gauge so we even pulled valve cover to ensure valve action was ok. So then we swapped the coils. Guess what. Left side had spark. Right side did not. My conclusion is bad coil. (Tests with kill wires off) That's with grounded uninstalled plugs. So coil is not strong enough to jump the gap. Bit puzzling since inline tester showed spark when attached to installed plug. An internally shorted plug would do that but our final testing was with new plugs on both sides. I know coil may spark to ground but not jump a gap under compression. I expect same goes for jumping gap with no compression. Just puzzled that tester showed spark IIRC on a new plug.
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/05/27 11:07:09
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That is what I was wondering about if the spark is not strong enough to jump the gap on the plug, even if you see it in the plug testing tube. So it still might be the coil that is not making a strong enough current to jump the gap on the Plug.
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/05/27 12:05:44
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That is why we use an open air tester set @ a gap that 15 KV to jump the gap. It is use to test only the ignition coil and not with the spark inline.
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/05/27 20:18:58
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Interesting I haven't see one of these testing tools. Cool That would prove the coil is weak if it would not jump the gap. I did a search and the price for the tester is not bad.
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/05/27 20:32:19
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spaceman Interesting I haven't see one of these testing tools. Cool That would prove the coil is weak if it would not jump the gap. I did a search and the price for the tester is not bad.
Just Google PN 19368.
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/06/07 14:39:18
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Well I got this testing tool for checking the coil and it seems to show there is no spark on the front coil. Its shows one on the back coil cylinder. Its easy to see the spark in the gap on this testing tool. So if I want to replace coil looks like I will have to lift the motor up. There are bolts on the bottom and I will have to take all the belts off PTO and drive belt. Take the crossbar above the aircleaner hose and I guess the hydraulic line for the lift deck. Might not have to take the throttle leakage and choke not sure, might be enough play on those to move. Not sure if electrical has to all come off, might be enough slack to leave them. I plan to use a V heavy duty alumminum Gorrila ladder straddle the mower over the motor and place a 4x4 across the steps adjust ladder for enough height so I can use a come along to lift it. Looks like that should would since I don't have my motor lift anymore. Its not that heavy. The coil I will need will be for a koler CH20os, 624cc serial 2726715917, spec 64555 where can I find one for this motor??????
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/06/07 14:56:56
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P/N 2458445S, Jacks has stock. They also list an aftermarket module, Universal p/n 055469 but it's more money.
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/06/07 15:29:08
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/06/07 16:33:29
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Thanks guys for all the help.
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/06/07 22:51:58
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I wonder if I should replace them both or leave the other one alone since its working. The mowers total hours is 552. I hate to mess with stuff if its working and some new stuff might not be as good but I don't know. Since its a job to get to them to replace maybe I should replace them both. What do you guys think??????????
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/06/21 23:35:13
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Well I got the motor unbolted and pushed over to the side by taking the bolts off the bottom and the PTO and muffler off and could push the motor way over against the other side. The I was able to take the blower cover off and now I can see and service the coils. Its is real dirty in there too so Im going to blow it all clean before removing the coils. I gave the muffler a new coat of high temp paint too. Will be ordering two new coils. So Im making my way through it and its been hot here in Florida working in my garage a little at a time taking breaks. I bought a used backup mower so I can still mow around the house while I work on the Toro:) I will upload some pictures tomorrow. I can see one thing bad about having the engine down low with blower of engine on the side, it tends to suck dust into the screen area that is fine stuff going into the flywheel area. If they had a finer screen to stop more of it. You can't get in there and clean it without taking the cover off the cowling what Im doing right now. I wish they had a way to get back into there and clean it.
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/06/29 19:09:48
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/06/29 19:58:32
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.010" will be good. Lay a business card on the flywheel on the flywheel under the coil, loosen the screws and allow it to be sucked against the magnets, remove the card and you are golden.
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/06/30 11:04:37
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Ok thanks for the info. I do have a feeler gauge too. I thought also I would take a reading on what the gap is now. The business card idea sounds good to let the whole coil sit on the magnet while you tighten the screws, sounds like a easier way then using a narrow gauge. Thanks again. What would we do without business cards:) they come in handy :)
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Re: Engine won't rev up as high on full throttle Kohler CH20OS Toro Groundmaster 120
2020/07/02 10:43:02
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Just for the heck of it I checked the gap on the coils as they are and the I could only get a .007 in the gap so they must have moved a little over the years are were set real close. So you have done more then I have ever done, this is my first setting the gaps so I will go with the business card idea and let the coil sit on it when the magnet pulls it in. That will be wider then what it has been looks like. I think these are the originals and never been changed.
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