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2021/03/21 11:00:09 (permalink)
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Honda GX160 Frequency Issues

Hi Folks;
 
So I have a Honda GX160 Engine on my generator; recently I have had a lot of power tools die on me polishers etc.
I even have one Angle Grinder which wont even run on the generator but runs fine on manis voltage in my house.
 
So I connected up my multimeter to the Generators output; and I am reading on No Load of Output Voltage =230VAC with a Frequency = 42.45Hz
 
I then adjusted the throttle until my frequency reached 50Hz; this then resulted in a Output Voltage =305.1VAC.
 
 
So this voltage of 300Volts is problem; 230VAC equipment will fail at this level.
 
My question is how do I adjust the frequency only and not the voltage ? Is this possible?
Should I be looking at the Alternator and not the prime mover? I am thinking that the Hz and Volts are proportionate to each other
 
I have attached some photos of the above information and also the throttle screw that I adjusted.
 
 
 
Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
 
 
 

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    Roy
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    Re: Honda GX160 Frequency Issues 2021/03/21 12:23:42 (permalink)
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    Frequency is governed by engine speed, it should be 60 hz @ 3600 rpm. It sounds like your voltage regulator has failed.
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    Re: Honda GX160 Frequency Issues 2021/03/21 12:36:37 (permalink)
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    Thanks Roy; Im in Ireland so we operate at 230VAC Single Phase Live to Neutral @ 50Hz normally so I take it 3600RPM should be equal to 50Hz.
     
     
    The alternator on the Generator is Belle 2000 Range.
     
    I took off the front cover I can see a capacitor and thats about it.
     
     
    Would it definetly have a AVR ?
     
    Could it be burried up the Prime Mover End of the Altenator?
     
     I have attached some further images of the altenator.

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    Re: Honda GX160 Frequency Issues 2021/03/21 15:17:43 (permalink)
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    I am not familiar with that particular generator, I assumed it was Honda.
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    Re: Honda GX160 Frequency Issues 2021/03/21 15:24:55 (permalink)
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    Yes the Engine is a Honda GX160 and the altenator is a Belle 2000 Range.
     
    Very little documentation available for the Belle stuff online.
     
    Only think I cant find someway similiar is on the below link; which has no mention of a AVR in it but does show the capacitor P23.

     
    In my understanding a Capacitor would smooth the voltage output; Could it be use for another puprpose? ie voltage regulation in some way?
     
    post edited by bstack10 - 2021/03/21 15:31:22
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    Re: Honda GX160 Frequency Issues 2021/03/21 15:27:52 (permalink)
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    Cant put a link to pdfmanual for some reason but if you type "belle minigen 2000 manual" into google its the first result.
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    Re: Honda GX160 Frequency Issues 2021/03/25 15:04:23 (permalink)
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    Well a bit of an update I swapped the capapcitor with no luck.
     
    Output voltage is 230VAC and frequency still sitting at 42Hz
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    Re: Honda GX160 Frequency Issues 2021/03/25 18:32:54 (permalink)
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    You misunderstand how the HZ converts to RPM and how RPM converts to HZ.  It is HZ * 60 = RPM  or RPM / 60 = HZ. HZ is measured per second and RPM is measured per minute.
     
    2 pole alternators
    So 42hz equals 2520 rpm. For 50hz operation you need to be at 3000 rpm or 3060 rpm off load (51hz).
     
    It is 3600 rpm on a two pole alternator that produces 60 hz. Actually need to be 62 hz (3750 rpm) off load.
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    Re: Honda GX160 Frequency Issues 2021/03/25 20:01:28 (permalink)
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    3000 rpm would produce 50HZ. The capacitor indicates a brushless generator, it sounds like the rotor has gone south. If so the unit is likely not worth repairing.
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    Re: Honda GX160 Frequency Issues 2021/03/26 13:07:05 (permalink)
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    Cheers Roy out of couriousity why would you say Rotor ?


    Could it also be the stator windings ?
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    Re: Honda GX160 Frequency Issues 2021/03/26 15:37:30 (permalink)
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    The low frequency at the specified voltage suggests the rotor. Either way the unit is finished.
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