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Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
I have a Toro 38182 (serial #260004679) snow blower (single stage) for which the pull start is very difficult (it pulls out but with much resistance). I replaced the recoil starter, but that wasn't the issue. The electric starts works fine. The pull start works fine with the spark plug removed. Could the issue be the flywheel (or the flywheel key - not sure what it's called in the parts diagram for this snowblower). Should I remove the flywheel to look (is it easy to take off and put back on for this snow blower). Could it be compression value related (how would I diagnose that). Any suggestions are much appreciated. Thank you.
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/04/04 15:31:44
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I'm not familiar with that machine however if the engine runs fine once started, there's nothing wrong with the flywheel / keyway The gear on the outside of the flywheel for the electric start has to be good or it wouldn't spin it over. If you can post up what the engine is specifically, it can be checked (parts diagram) for a compression release located on the cam shaft. Should that be the issue, pulling at least the side cover(RS) would be required to access the camshaft..
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/04/04 17:35:00
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I do not believe this snow blower (single stage) has a cam shaft (just a crankshaft). Parts 169 and 172 do refer to Compression Release. Thank you. [font="'helvetica neue', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 22px"]ENGINE ASSEMBLY TECUMSEH HSK635 1723C Parts Diagram
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/04/05 06:59:47
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This is a two-stroke engine.
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/04/05 07:04:57
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The engine diagram was taken from partstree.com. I tried (a couple of times) to post the link, but that was evidently deleted from the post.
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/04/06 19:35:54
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Interesting.... The compression release, looking at a parts pic, seems to be reed style valve: The only thing I can think of is to check for any play in crankshaft, on both ends. Pull / push in all directions checking for any play. A very long shot but possibly the flywheel is indeed hitting the coil if the engine has worn bearings.. Good thing is the electric start works... I would make sure any part you may want to pull (gasket, etc) is still available. Please post back if you find the issue, good luck.
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/04/11 12:46:06
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I’m leaning towards an issue with the compression release (cover), like you believe it is, but I haven’t removed that part yet. It looks like I would need to remove the recoil starter first, then the Housing for the Blower to get at this part. Once I remove this part (one screw, I believe), would it be as “simple” as merely replacing the compression release cover for another, or would I need to possibly do more. I doubt it’s related to the flywheel since with the spark plug removed the pull start is fine.
Since electric start does work, I’m hesitant to do more other than, possibly, a quick replacement of parts, which I can handle. Thank you.
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/04/12 14:07:23
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I'm not sure exactly how a "reed valve style" compression release works. The parts diagram indicates it's pretty easy to replace and there really isn't any other moving parts to fail/be the issue... It certainly can't hurt to replace it and can only help... Please post back how it goes, if it goes, etc..
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/05/01 12:37:19
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Ok, replaced the compression release cover (and gasket). Not easy finding the part, but found it and easy to replace. That was not the issue. I’m focused on cylinder exhaust ports, in particular cleaning under the cylinder head. The cylinder head is secured with 5 torx screws, and very difficult to loosen (probably for good reason). The snow blower does start (at least it did before I started taking things apart, but haven’t tried again), and may want to stop here. would you suggest looking into removing this cylinder head to get at the cylinder exhaust ports and cleaning any carbon build-up? It states in my manual that the exhaust and cylinder ports should be cleaned every 75-100 hours of operation. I did clean the muffler exhaust port, but that was reasonably clean. Also, i’m unsure if these torx screws are torqued. Thanks.
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/05/01 12:59:35
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I had a non start Poulan Pro blower (2 stroke) that indeed had the ring carboned up. Once cleaned, it starts / runs fine: Recently, I had a weed eater that didn't want to start. I set the engine at TDC and put Seafoam in the cylinder and let sit for a day. It cranked up first pull the next day and still runs fine... If you can look into the exhaust port and check the piston for any scoring would be helpful. Checking compression, at least 100PSI would also help with diagnosis. A peek down the cylinder with a bore scope/camera would also be helpful if possible... Pulling the cylinder and cleaning the ring(s) isn't that hard. Just make sure you have gaskets etc. As for torque, good and snug with RED loctite has worked fine for me... I would check the above first (and Seafoam), before pulling the top end apart. As it is an older engine, a new piston ring couldn't hurt..
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/05/01 17:08:36
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Ok, that worked. I’m not sure if replacing the compression valve cover and/or possibly using the sea foam (which I just poured into the gas tank) solved the issue, but I can now easily pull start the snow blower now. Thanks for the help and motivation. I‘m all set for the next snow storm.
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/05/01 19:20:51
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Excellent! Glad it worked out for ya... For long time storage, I'd run the engine bone dry of fuel. (Generators for down here in Fl.) If a steel fuel tank, some pre-mix to keep rust from getting inside the tank. Dump before using. I also put either a couple teaspoons of Seafoam in the top end (inside spark plug hole) and crank over slowly to distribute and keep the internals moist with oil... Leave the engine at TDC to keep moisture from getting in the cylinder. If a butterfly choke, leave it closed as well (prevent critters from entering) Yamaha's Ring Free is a fuel additive I use in EVERY MACHINE I own or repair... It helps with carbon build up and cleaning the fuel system...
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Re: Toro Single Stage SnowBlower - Hard to Pull Start
2022/05/17 04:30:46
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Maybe you can consider a fully automatic snow blower, which is easy to use and smarter.
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