Texas1step
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Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
I bought a used hrx 217yha from a professional yard man last year. He said he only used it 3 times. I checked it really good. It had no scratches anywhere, the blades still had most of the paint on the cutting edge, still had all the stickers on outside. Even the oil looked fresh so I'm sure it only had a couple hrs on it. I ran it last summer and towards the end of the summer I noticed an internal knocking like a lifter which got worse after warming up. It may have been there already but since I had earphones and ear muffs on I may have not hears it. But this last winter I did some maintenance, when adjusting the valve lash to .08 on both valves as is recommended in the manual for this gcv200 engine they where off quite a bit. Also there was excessive carbon build up on plug and inside engine, and oil was pretty dirty. I forgot to mention that I changed the oil after the second time I used it estimating that it had 5 hrs. Also checking rpm's there at 3250, when the manual says 2950-3100 ÷/-100 so its really only 50 over the plus 100. Does anyone know what could be causing this on such a new engine, maybe timing off or something. Ps I will try to send a short clip of the sound.
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/05/30 17:10:03
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A YT video with good sound would be helpfull.
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/05/31 19:04:15
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I will try to post it to YouTube, but I have never used it before. I have a 10 second clip from my phone but I can't attatch it to this post.
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/01 08:45:38
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/01 16:23:39
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I don't really hear anything unusual... Can you manually (or with throttle control) record the engine at a slower RPM?
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/01 19:51:28
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/04 16:54:12
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https://youtu.be/SUYW9xoammkhttps://youtu.be/F4xiBSYlBsMHere's 2 recent videos from today I have the cover off because I'm still working on it. I have mowed once with it this year, and I blocked the crankcase hose and outlet from block with filter media. I don't know if it needs the crank case venting into the intake to run properly. But the knocking is the same either way.
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/05 08:08:03
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Much more noticable now... I did notice, especially in the second video, the fuel tank shaking. As if the engine wasn't fully tightened down and/or possibly a bent crankshaft casing it to wobble. I kinda doubt it'd cause the knocking but check the tightness of the engine mounts and for any damage(wobbling) underneath the deck to the engine/clutch.
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/05 08:47:12
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Ok thanks. I remember last year lightly hitting a small stump that I cut low, but I can't remember if it was with the battery powered mower I had before I got this. But I did go over a pile of twigs but I don't believe that is enough to bend a shaft. I haven't really checked the mower deck or clutch area. I checked the oil after using g it this one time and it is clean. Maybe I knocked the timing off. Do you know how to check that. Also when I check the rpm with a plug coiling rpm gauge its 3250 So maybe I need to adjust the governor. Thanks for your help!
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/05 12:13:30
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do you know where I can get a cheap repair manual for this engine. I forgot to mention I did take blades off to sharpen them and didn't see anything obvious underneath. I put a little anti rust paint on the mounts and didn't notice anything but I'll cheAlsock again.
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/06 08:09:45
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The engine can run up to 3,600 RPMs but some federal laws lowered the RPMs (I think for blade tip speed), to lower the RPMs. Sooo, your RPMS are fine... Again, check the enigne bolts for tightness. I would pull the entire clutch assembly underneath and then run the engine checking for knocking.. Just to rule that in or out. Pay attention to how the pressure plate is installed. With the clutch off, spark plug wire off, machine on it's side (air filter up), slowly spin the engine over checking the end of the crankshaft to see if it's damaged..
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/06 08:11:30
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/07 13:22:54
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<p>Thanks I had this forum open in my tablet and the page wasn't updating, so I just saw your response. I will check everything. I did see that manual from Hondas website.</p>
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/13 11:48:52
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I listened and from what I remember that unit has a BBC. I feel the crank is slightly bent. If it has a BBC and it is running and the blade is not engaged the heavy flywheel will allot it to run fine. Please show he the engine running with the blade engaged.
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/13 15:38:20
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What's BBC an abbreviation for?
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/14 08:35:57
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BBC is the blade brake clutch. This allows you to run the engine without the blade. These units have a heavy balanced flywheel. This compensates and allows you to run the engine without the blade. Now if Texas 1 step is running his unit and the BBC is not engaged yes it will run smooth. Most HYA and HXA units have this.
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/14 13:19:45
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Yep, I replaced one (pressure plate too) awhile ago...
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/14 14:02:25
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I will send a post a video with the blade engaged. But I notice it more with the blade not engaged. And with the blade engaged its to loud to tell if its knocking. By the way they have been making that system for awhile. Because I am currently in the process of borrowing my neighbors Honda which is a hr216 FE with the Aluminum deck I think its from the 90's. I have been busy working on it to the front spindle and wheel bearings where bent and I haven't even got it running yet.
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/14 16:02:21
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Might want to drain the oil and inspect closely for any "shiny stuff".
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Re: Honda HRX217K6HYAA knocking noise, and carbon build up on first season of use.
2022/06/15 09:21:47
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I changed the oil last winter and ran it once with 20w50 and sea foam then drained. The oil was dirty. I ran it again once before starting this post with 10w30 royal purple and the oil looks clean now. I never saw any metal. But I don't think there are plain, but instead roller bearings since its not pressurized with a oil pump.
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