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2023/04/14 07:45:09 (permalink)
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GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings.

Hello everyone and thanks for having me in your forum. Last year I bought a used pressure washer that had a GX 390 Honda engine. Are used the pressure washer a few times with no problem until I took it on a job that required me to get it down several flights of stairs. I assume that water got into the cylinder while doing so and it sat in there for a few weeks. When I started it, it was somewhat difficult to start and ran for about 10 to 15 seconds before shutting off. I was not able to pull start fast enough because it seemed like it had compression locked in. Anyway, I removed the head to see a little bit of rusty water and I’m in the process of replacing the rings. I honed the cylinder, even though it still showed some crosshatch. The rings were covered with some surface, rust and water so I figured I would replace them. I’ve meticulously cleaned every part and the top of the motor but have not been able to locate the correct rings. I’m wondering if this motor has been rebuilt and I’m ordering the wrong rings?

Model # on cowling sticker: GX390T-E1
Piston: Z5T90

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated as I am hoping to have my pressure washer. Running for a job in two weeks. Thank you and good day to all.

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    SRTsFZ6
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/04/14 08:45:20 (permalink)
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    Honda usually has the model/serial, etc stamped into the block, not on the cowl.
     
    I did find close to the model # you posted, rings are available oversize:
    https://jackssmallengines.com/jacks-parts-lookup/manufacturer/honda-engines/engine/gx/gx390/gx390t2-qapw-engine-tha-vin-gcbdt-1000001/piston 
     
    Did you check the ring end gap to see if their still in spec?  
     
     
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/04/14 09:06:52 (permalink)
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    No I did not, I was hoping that the damage was minor cylinder wall abrasions that could be fixed with honing. They look worn and discolored.

    Block model # GCBCT 2054731

    Thank you in advance!
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/04/14 19:46:19 (permalink)
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    I can't find your specific engine on-line.  
     
    Can you please re-check and post ALL the #'s/letters on the block...
     
    Also, where did you get the part # for your piston?  Is it stamped on there?

    Scott
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/04/21 01:48:05 (permalink)
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    Thanks for reply. Here are the numbers and location:

    Engine block: QAA2 GCBCT-2054731
    Piston top: Z5T90 B16Y5161A192
    Piston skirt: HFA 6 Z5T

    I just got Honda 13010-Z5R-004 rings but not sure if the will work or if I should order different rings…

    I’ve tried attaching pictures of everything I’m talking about but it just things and things, but never attaches the photos.

    Thank you in advance!
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/04/21 01:49:54 (permalink)
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    Pictures

    Thank you in advance!
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/04/21 01:50:42 (permalink)
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    I’ve tried to upload pictures with no luck…is there a trick to it?

    Thank you in advance!
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/04/21 08:49:52 (permalink)
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    Seems like you got the stock sized rings (and oversized rings aren't available):
    https://www.partstree.com/models/gx390-ut2-qaa2-a-gcbct-honda-engine-made-in-thailand-sn-gcbct-3000001-gcbct-9999999/piston-16/  
     
    Did you stick them in the bore and measure end play?  
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/04/23 09:57:28 (permalink)
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    Yes gap was .027” and the part number you referenced is not correct or does it matter if my engine number isn’t within the parameters?
    GCBCT 2054731
    QAA2
    Piston: Z5T90

    Im trying to upload pics of everything but unable.

    Thank you in advance!
    Josh
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/04/23 17:02:20 (permalink)
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    Yep, I couldn't find the exact model # either, that's why I asked to repeat it. 
     
    That link I posted is the closest model I could find to yours.  You may have to go to a dealer and see if they can find it (exact model and rings)...  I suspect they'll be looking at the same thing we are..
     
    If no luck there, get new stock bore rings and check for end gap...  Not much else you can do.. 
    New stock rings would certainly be tighter than what you currently have...
     
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    post edited by SRTsFZ6 - 2023/04/23 17:03:25
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/09/19 08:13:15 (permalink)
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    And it continues…it’s been a while so let me start by thanking you for helping me. After reading thru my previous msgs you showed patience and knowledgeable guidance. Thank you.

    So after talking to Honda this block did not leave their company with this piston. Looks like it’s had problems and that doesn’t bother me that much because when I got the unit it ran for 25-30 hours flawlessly and I was the reason it **** the bed.

    Here’s where I need your advice. I have assembled this unit several times with the correct rings for this piston and my issue is this;

    Every YT video I’ve seen shows the unit rotating very smooth by hand throughout the build. My unit seems to have a spot in the cycle where it’s sounds like some thing is grinding and it becomes hard to turn the shaft by hand.

    - is it possible I have cracked the cylinder by sending a non-combustible liquid (h2o) thru the combustion chamber at rpm?
    -is it possible that the bearing in side a block for the balance gear has a rough, rust or die bad spot in it?
    -The piston does not feel damaged and everything fits snug while being assembled and I don’t see any cracks on the inside of the cylinder but I do see some hairline cracks on the outside of the cylinder head. I thought these might be normal.

    Thank you in advance!
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/09/19 08:28:48 (permalink)
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    No problem Josh...
     
    It should spin evenly, (rings will cause some drag of course). 
     
    I gather you used at least engine oil on all re-installed moving parts...
     
    I'd try to narrow down when the issue arises..
     
    IE, check just the crank for easily spinning with the cover on, should be smooth.
    Then, install the piston and rod, check again, cover on.
     
    If water did get in the cylinder when running, or pulled hard, it's possible to bend the connecting rod.
    Check that really closely.  Perhaps remove from the piston and put on a flat surface.(Pay attention to rod to piston orientation).
     
    Valves, push them down, one at a time, make sure their not hanging up, closing fully..
     
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/09/19 08:30:37 (permalink)
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    Also, that engine is air cooled and water from the pump can only enter the engine thru the carb, not the block...
     
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/09/20 10:57:27 (permalink)
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    OK, thank you for that. I did as you said, and everything turns perfectly smooth until the piston is installed. Also, I’m noticing some cylinder wall scraping on top and bottom of cylinder. Piston and rod seam to be mated well so I’m going to check the rod for flatness next. Will a granite countertop work or do I need an actual Measuring deck

    Thank you in advance!
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/09/21 08:12:20 (permalink)
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    Did the cylinder cleanup after honing?  If it's scraped bad enough, of course the piston will have extra friction, if not locking up.
     
    Are the piston skirts smooth (and the rest of the pistons)?
     
    Will the pistons, NOT bolted to the crank, lubed, move up and down somewhat easily/steady by them selves (push up and down by hand)?
     
    Re the rod, I'd take it off the piston (if not visibly bent) and just lay it on a flat surface. Check and make sure both the small end and large end "space" is even when the rod is flipped over and re-checked. 
     
    Re any bearings inside. If roller bearings are involved, you should be able to rotate them with you finger. They should be smooth, no slop (sideways or up and down).  A super close inspection of the cylinders should show if there's any cracks..
     
    .Scott
     
    Can you post some pic's? 
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/09/21 08:14:19 (permalink)
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    Also, the wrist pin. Does the piston rotate on the rod end easily?
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/09/26 00:45:07 (permalink)
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    Hey ol friend, so I know what was causing engine to im m im scrape when turning it by hand. Connecting rod is bent. The piston is discontinued so should I buy the regular size piston and connecting rod since it didn’t damage cylinder wall?

    Thank you in advance!
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    Re: GX390 Need help finding correct replacement rings. 2023/09/26 08:16:13 (permalink)
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    A new piston wouldn't hurt(with rings and a good hone).  However, if the piston appears ok and goes up and down in the cylinder (rod disconnected) by hand, it'd probably be alright.  Check very closely around the wrist pin area as well.
     
    Rod of course would need replacement.  With that said, something bent the rod, most likely a liquid in the cylinder. Either over filled with oil or more likely, excess fuel leaked from the carb and ran into the combustion chamber.  THAT, needs to be checked..
     
    You can hook up the carb to the tank(un-bolted from the engine), fill the tank and just watch for leakage..
     
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