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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/11 13:15:27
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Okay - I think I may have had several problems original and have gone down some wormholes.... I think I originally had both a carburetor problem (blockages at fine air intake hole - known for causing surging and bad o-rings around the jets - they were loose originally and fell out of tube cover when turned upside down). Combined with a fuel delivery problem. I have placed spark testers between ignition coils and plugs - I'm getting spark when I turn the ignition. I also unplugged the pressure switch, but this made no difference (and when plugged in I'm getting spark). So not the problem. Moreover, I can hear the fuel solenoid click so it is getting 12VDC when key turned. Also I test visually when the bowl was off the carb. I did put in a new fuel line and now it seems there is barely a trickle of fuel at the height of the carb gas intake - see video and pics of fuel line (evidently I cant upload video - with fuel line low to ground, fuel flows - but at same height as carb gas intake, fuel slows to a trickle or stops). This fuel line was made from exact length of original. Fuel filter has gas in it, but there seems to be little flow to carb. The manual for this engine (44N777-024-E1) shows a fuel pump, but I assume this is an option depending on where individual manufacturers place the fuel tank - in my case...up behind the engine. Any suggestions on fuel line length or increase pressure - gas cap in loose, but makes barely a difference. Is it possible to retrofit a fuel pump on this to ensure delivery - i.e. breather in valve cover and mount fuel pump between filter and carb? Thanks. 
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/11 15:13:35
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As you note, there is a fuel pump for this engine available. As you didn't need one before, I'd try putting some more fuel in the tank and check the flow starting at the tank, then the filter, then at the end of the fuel line(at the height of the carb inlet). .
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/11 16:11:00
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Okay - just saw this after I shortened the fuel line about 3-4 inches. It fired up and ran (with choke) - but the moment I would push in the choke, it would start to die. Pull the choke on...it would run better. Squirted some carb cleaner into the air intake and it would improve. That was the first time - second time I was able to unchoke it but then the governor would start to 'search'...I sprayed carb cleaner all over the gaskets around the carb - at the intake manifold, air elbow, and cylinders - nothing. It would search and back fire (I think because of carb cleaner - had not done this before). I got some good video but I can only upload pictures. Don't know where else to check for a vacuum leak....
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/11 16:52:58
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Also - I've heard that as these engines age - they have to run richer. The OEM new orifices for the jets (0.046" L and 0.038" R) are no longer large enough causing a lean condition. Does it make sense to drill out these to make slightly larger so that both cylinders run richer? I can't find any vacuum leaks. Choking it obviously helps to adjust the fuel/air mixture and limits air so that the fuel ratio is increased. Thoughts? Thanks!
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/11 17:17:54
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Actually...I should say... Keep the jets on the tube original.... Drill out the carb body - i.e. the small holes (left and right) below the emulsion tubes that feed the channel under the plate/cover on the other side that feed the holes to the barrels. Stock = 0.020" (#76 drill bit) Modify to... 0.0292" (#74 drill bit) Maybe start with a Chinese $30 copy since on carb body...haha
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/12 07:50:10
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IME, that's true, with time, some machines need more fuel. The Chinese jets should fit in your OEM carb. I would open them up, a little at a time. The emulsion tubes I wouldn't drill them but make sure their spotless. As those holes are smaller than all my jet cleaning wands, I cut off one strand of wire FROM A WIRE BRUSH. Clamp it with a small vise grip and that wire will fit thru the emulsion tube "sideways" holes... If you haven't cleaned the emulsion tubes this way (or know it's absolutely clear) do this before drilling anything.. Opening the main jets should help. .
post edited by SRTsFZ6 - 2023/11/12 07:51:46
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/12 11:15:07
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Thanks. I've decided that before I drill out the low side jets...I'm going to give it a go cleaning EVERYTHING **AGAIN**... Going to try soaking in Pine Sol and then rinsing in water and then blow out with compressed air and then blow out with carb cleaner/WD40. If that doesn't work, then I'll try to open the jets up a little bit to like a #69 drill bit. Thanks.
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/14 10:04:00
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BTW...can't trust everyone on the internet **haha**. Went down a wormhole with main jets - was told left cylinder gets the bigger jet ('L' - on carb body). Looked at the B&S parts manual and it shows left main jet as 792296 (Part #117) and right main jet as 842627. 792296 is marked 118 and 842627 is 122. So it turns out that the right actually gets the bigger main jet. Interesting as you see conflicting guidance...also rebuild kits for the Nikki double include a needle valve that is longer with a larger pin point. Just FYI.
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/17 07:43:18
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/18 23:57:51
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Thanks for checking in....much appreciated. So - put the original OEM carb on - after soaking degreaser for 24+ hours, running brushes and wires through all channels/orifices and then blowing out with compressed air and then carb cleaner for good measure. Also after making damn sure the main jets were right (1.18 Left, 1.22 right). Took a really long time to get it started (Drained the battery the first time) - and then would only run for a couple of minutes (< 2min) when it did start up. Pulled it back off and found that the bowl was EMPTY - I can see why B&G abandoned these gravity fed systems as they are very unreliable. I ordered a used rocker cover (with hole #690971), vacuum tubes and a fuel pump - going to install this week to convince myself that it is getting gas. Also went back to card board fuel filter versus screen (seemed to be plugged despite being OEM brand new from Home Depot). Also decided to put on a brand spanking new carb (copy) for good measure. Fingers crossed.
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/19 07:47:16
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You may want to check fuel flow (mentioned earlier) at each point starting at the tank. IE; just before the filter, just after the filter, just before the carb... You should have good flow at all points. If there's a restriction at any point the new pump may have issues over coming it. The carb bowl, being mostly dry will cause the issues you previously described including surging (running lean) Please post back what you find and any updates.. .
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/21 15:22:03
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Looks like I finally slew this beast.... Put a new rocker cover (w/ hole), vacuum line, fuel pump between carb and fuel filter. Fired right up...ran like new for 20 minutes...idle, under load (riding with and without blades on). Real test will be tomorrow when I cut the grass. I'm claiming a win. Thanks for the help!
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/21 19:19:38
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Yea!! Yep, that tank isn't much higher than the carb... .
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Re: Surging with B&G VTwin With New Carb - Please Help!
2023/11/22 17:49:56
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☄ Helpfulby SRTsFZ6 2023/11/23 08:34:22
Brand spanking new! Ran for 2 hours cutting the grass from the time I turned it on to the time I turned it off.
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