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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings? 2025/06/18 16:14:09 (permalink)
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 I found this on another site and believe it to be credible and make sense:
 
 
Rings rotate in the grooves unless they are pegged .
The spring of the ring does not create the compression, it is the gasses trying to get past the ring which forces them out to make the seal with the oil on the bore & in the ring groove .
This is why on 4 strokes champhers always point up.
When new the rings have not made their seal against the bore so spacing them 120 degrees helps the initial compression.
 
Of course a shop manual would give you conclusive answers...
 
 
 
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings? 2025/06/18 18:52:20 (permalink)
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That is the most intelligent thing I've heard all day about the bevel. I'm an engineer and it's really good to understand why you're doing something, not just knowing you are supposed to do it. I pointed them both up.
 
One thing I'm not confident about is how deep I installed the main seal on the drive side. First I put it in flush, but the flat part of the crankshaft was right at the edge of the seal, so watching another video where the guy drove it all the way in, I just did that. I can't see how it would hurt, but the shiny part of the shaft that is now showing tells me that the original seal was probably flush. I have a second seal if that was not a good idea.
 
Also, the bolts holding the two halves together had some kind of lock tight or sealer on them. Is that needed for putting it back together?
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings? 2025/06/19 06:37:30 (permalink)
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There's an oil hole in that recess that CANNOT be covered up,
IE; seal NOT PUSHED DOWN FULLY INTO THE HOLE..
 
Anywhere in the cover leaving the oil opening clear AND the working part of the seal fully intact with the crankshaft. 
A little oil between the crank and seal wouldn't hurt Flush is fine and you should still be able to see the opening... 
 
*As a side note, on my 18HP Briggs, that seal started leaking after 5 years. 
I took a short cut and pulled it with the engine in the machine
(drill and use sheet metal screw to pull the seal-
Ultimately nicking the crankshaft.) 
Now THAT FIX- Pulled the engine and cover
and seal.  I had about 1/4 crankshaft NOT damaged on the end not damaged.
I put the seal into the case, JUST ENOUGH to catch the case and ride on the 
un-damaged part of the crank.  Used Yamaha case sealer on the outer edge of the seal.
There was just enough "good crank" and just "enough cover" -
Re-assembled, stayed and is currently nice and dry..
(A major screw up with a positive ending)
 
 
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings? 2025/06/20 17:52:03 (permalink)
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Believe it or not, the engine started right up and runs smoothly and no smoke and no leaks.
 
Ran it for about 25 min and still good. 
 
Thank you for your help!!
 
Then the mower started dying when I put it in reverse and then quit altogether. No voltage on the starter side of the solenoid. So now I have to figure out what switch etc. is not working.
 
But I think the engine is good.
 
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings? 2025/06/20 19:35:09 (permalink)
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Also, I started the engine with the mower blades engaged and ran it for 20 min at medium rpms. I didn't realize the blades were spinning. I didn't drive or mow. Would you expect that to effect the rings breaking in? Or anything else?
 
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Re: Briggs 21 HP Single Cylinder. Bad rings? 2025/06/21 08:23:36 (permalink)
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Glad to hear the engine is good....  
 
Check voltage, while running at the battery and make sure it's 13-14 volts. 
If more than that you may have popped a fuse.
 
I do think it's more than that, as you said, a bad safety switch somewhere.
It shouldn't have cranked with the blades engaged.   
 
As for break in, you want load on the engine to help seat the rings.
Varying RPMs, hot and cold heat cycles as well.. 
 
With that said, that engine is very forgiving (Including break in) if assembled correctly
(as it seems to be).  
 
I'd be re-checking the engine install itself itself, the WIRING.  Make sure nothing got 
pinched, blew a fuse, etc. Physically follow every wire about the engine (shouldn't be many)
to make sure all's. clear..
 
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