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2017/12/10 05:23:31 (permalink)
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K321 won't start

Bought a non running Ariens s14 with a K321 because I wanted the included snow blower for my dad's mower.  Turns out the mower I bought was in better shape than mine, so I started working on it.

Gas was full of water so I cleaned fuel tank and replaced all fuel lines and filter.  When I disassembled and cleaned carb the paint flaked off and got everywhere.  I was afraid it might be in the small passages, so I put a new chinese carb on it.   Replaced spark plug.  Previous owner had put new plastic fuel pump and solenoid on it.  Engine oil was gray foamy goo  I've never seen anything like it.  Flushed it out as well as I could with new oil before it was cranked.

Started it up and it ran pretty good.  I probably had 20 minutes total run time over a couple weeks as I mounted snow blower and worked on other mechanical issues.

At one point it seemed to lose prime.  I unhooked fuel line and pressurized fuel tank slightly to get gas through it.  It ran after that.

Got all the other work done and ready to put it in shed and all of a sudden it won't start.  Choke it and crank for a while and it runs about 5 pops, then dies.  Wont do that again until I unchoke, crank for a while, then choke again and it will do the 5 pops again.  Occasionally back fires.  With the air cleaner off I see some fuel pooling in the carb throat when it stops.  Not a lot.  If it's a fuel problem, I'm not sure if it's flooding or not getting enough.

Since then I've done the following:

Float seems parallel to the carb body. when upside down  I can't find anything more instructions on how to adjust it.

New points and condenser, timed with volt meter to 20 deg mark.  I see spark across the points gap.  Is that normal?

New head gasket (seemed to be leaking a little near the bolt with the lifting eye, not very bad. cleaned carbon while it was apart.

Another new spark plug.
 
Put the old carb together (it wasn't really rebuilt, just cleaned and put back together) and installed.  Same behavior.
 
At one point it stopped cranking and oddly enough the brand new solenoid had died, so I replaced it.
 
Swapped coils with the other mower.  no change.  Spark looks decent.

I bought a fuel pump but have not put on yet.  It seems to be moving fuel.  When I took it off to look it, I found the previous owner had not remove the fiber gasket.  This plastic one says to remove the gasket and only use the o-ring type gasket.  I put it back together without the fiber gasket.  same behavior.
 
I suppose I should put the fuel pump on, but I've waited way too long to ask for help and I feel stupid that I chased so many things.  Any ideas?

Bob

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    AVB
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    Re: K321 won't start 2017/12/10 09:11:40 (permalink)
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    First don't feel stupid by what you have done. It sounds you got good grasp on what is needed to be done, just need the correct way to go at it. It is that you just got I call a nightmare repair on your hands. It is much easier to an engine with only one problem but when there are multiple failures it can overwhelm the novice. It just that you need to take a step back and clear your thinking.
     
    With the water in the oil and the engine had sitting for a very long time it is good possibility that you have a valve not closing fully due to rust or simply sticking. Water and iron/steel does not agree with each other.
     
    I would first recommend you go to the Kohlerplus website and download the service manual. You need to do this using Microsoft Internet Explorer, login as a guest and then navigate to the K-series to find the SM and IPLs. The site will not work with other internet browsers.
     
    As for spark at the points that is normal for battery ignitions. This why condensers are used to limit this arcing and to control the dwell of the ignition system. Point gap is set with a 0.020 feeler gauge with the battery disconnected or the ignition switch off. This needs to this way so the ignition timing is correct. Procedure explained in the SM. BTW this how ignition systems got burned up before the newer systems came along even on automobiles as operators would leave the ignition on when the engine wasn't running. This over heated the ignition parts causing failures from the constant current though the system.
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    Re: K321 won't start 2017/12/16 19:04:30 (permalink)
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    Does sound like a sticky valve
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