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Voltage regulator location

I have an Ariens riding mower model 936042-00 powered by a B&S 20HP twin engine model 406777-0442-B1. Here is my dilemma. The engine is no longer charging the battery. I can measure the alternator and it puts out 27.4 VAC and 10.3 VDC. I would also like to check the regulator but cannot find it anywhere and I looked, believe me I looked. it is not on the shroud near the starter or anywhere else for that matter. Somebody told me that it probably doesn't have one, but is built in to the alternator or mounted together next to the alternator. Not so. I popped the flywheel and all I can see is the alternator ring. With all shrouds removed I still don't see anything resembling a voltage regulator. Can anybody shed some light on this. Even B&S has not been of any help. I don't even know what regulator to order. There are 2 listed for this engine. All very confusing. Help!

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    Re: Voltage regulator location 2020/03/20 20:02:39 (permalink)
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    Welcome! The engine uses a dual circuit alternator with a diode in the harness, there is no voltage regulator. The diode is a black lump in the red wire, doesn't often happen but it could be popped. Check for a loose or corroded connection.
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    Re: Voltage regulator location 2020/03/21 01:10:07 (permalink)
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    Thank you Roy. Now things starting to make sense. You are absolutely correct. There is a diode (lump) in the red line close to the white connector coming from the alternator which I will check tomorrow to see if its blown. What is the correct way to test the alternator for proper output voltage? I believe the correct alternator for my engine is part number 592831 in case I need to replace it. Do you agree?
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    Re: Voltage regulator location 2020/03/21 09:21:21 (permalink)
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    With engine running at 3600 RPM output should be between
    2-4 amps DC.  Output will vary with battery voltage. If battery voltage
    is at its maximum, output will be approximately 2 amps.
     
    Alternator is PN 696459 superseded to 592831.
     
    If you need to increase DC output current capacity add a 790292 voltage regulator. But is going from 3 amps to 5 amps worth the expense?
     
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    Re: Voltage regulator location 2020/03/21 17:54:53 (permalink)
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    Thanks AVB. I am learning fast and trying to put 2 and 2 together. Y'all correct me if I am wrong. I understand that on a system with a separate regulator the way to check the alternator output is to disconnect the alternator (white plug) run the engine at full throttle and the voltage at the plug should be 30 VAC or more. That voltage will then go to the regulator where it is converted and regulated to about 13.8 VDC or something like that. But since I don't have a voltage regulator in the conventional sense, the alternator still initially produces AC voltage but puts out the proper DC voltage at the white connector because of the inline diode. Am I correct so far? I did some more thorough checking today and here is what I found. I checked the inline diode and found it to be in order (dead in one direction and throughput in the other). While I was at it I checked the alternator output before the diode and it was a convincing 46.5 VAC (and nothing at the VDC setting, which of course there shouldn't be). Now I checked the voltage after the diode at the white (still disconnected) plug and it showed 11.3 V on the AC setting of my voltmeter and 23.6 V on the DC setting. Now I tested the charging voltage at the battery posts after everything was back reconnected and normal and the reading was 5.6 VDC. Battery posts and cables are clean and make good contact. The battery voltage by itself was 12.3 VDC. Tomorrow I will attempt to trace and check all the wiring, its connectors, fuses, ground connections etc. for corrosion and other short comings. In the meantime all good ideas are appreciated.
    Thanks Rick
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    Re: Voltage regulator location 2020/03/21 19:01:33 (permalink)
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    You definitely have a wiring problem as when the engine even if the alternator (stator) is not charging you would still have the battery voltage at the connector. Matter of fact with engine not running and the ignition in run position there should be the battery voltage at the connector.
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